Netflix’s The Witcher (2019 – present)

Piotrek: When I first heard the news in 2017 I was excited. Ola proclaimed:

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Now we’ve both seen the first season, meditated on it for a while, and it’s time for our verdict πŸ˜‰ We both like the books, a lot, so it’s not going to be a cool review of a random genre TV show. I definitely will be measuring it against my high expectations and a clear vision of who Geralt is and what world he has his adventures in. And against one of the best computer RPGs ever.

And boy, am I conflicted… It’s good they did it, there are many great things about the show, including most of the actors, but the story is butchered in a way that simply does not work for me. That is not to say I won’t be watching next season, there’s not that much solid fantasy on tv.

The problem starts with the first important decision Lauren Schmidt Hissrich had to make, about the show’s structure. Books start with many stories, two volumes of them, concentrating on Geralt and his adventures, often shared with Jaskier/Dandelion. It’s episodic, although some wheels are put in motion that will determine events volumes ahead. Yennefer appears, but is not yet one of the protagonists. Ciri is too young to really matter. The show, by starting the story with three separate timelines, gives us two heroines that are just as important as the hero, and gives us insight into their origins that we only glimpsed at reading the saga. The idea is good, execution flawed. Before I discuss the flaws, let me tell you what I think we missed, and I would miss it even if Hissrich’s idea was executed seamlessly.

Sapkowski’s short stories, stories I value more than the novels, introduced his world in a pretty comprehensive way. Culture, history, religion, politics, prejudices, brewing conflicts that will later erupt into wars. Nilfgaard is mentioned, but not visited, and we get to see the shades of moral grey of this universe before we’re told to hate the big bad. Sapkowski created a post modern cycle, where the bigotry of our own world was the main target. Here we got a cliche about the coming Nazis. I’d argue it’s because there was no time to get to know “our” side. One of the victims of that simplification is Cahir, reduced to a stereotypical Hitlerjugend officer. Whatever you think about the later seasons of the GoT, it’s early episodes showed how to present a complex fantasy world on screen with depth that is simply missing here. Ola?58-Copy

Ola: That’s one mighty rant ;). And an unfortunately justified one, I might add.

I’ll be frank. I had hoped to get something like Netflix’s Daredevil. What I got is more akin to Jessica Jones. The difference between the two is quite stark despite their common origin: where DD explores darker parts of human nature in a very entertaining, visually stunning, and edge-of-the-seat-thrilling way, JJ is pretending to do just that. And yet it only scratches the surface, simplifying all darker elements to the point of triviality and, in effect, quickly becoming the comic books’ unintended caricature. Netflix’s The Witcher is by no means as bad; but it is worse than I expected. The lack of socio-cultural aspects of worldbuilding is perhaps the most visible and painful, starkly emphasized in the unintentionally funny scene of battle between Cintra and Nilfgaard (oh, those black masses of soldiers against the small group of valiant white knights!). But to me equally – if not more – vexing are the changes to the characters’ personalities and motivations. Cahir is one example; a more important one would be Yennefer, reduced here to a progeny-obsessed woman driven of irrational fears of not being liked for who she is. Umm… Excuse me? Have we read the same books?

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Piotrek: Maybe it did lose in translation even more than I thought…

And now about the flawed execution of the idea about theΒ  shows structure. Multiple timelines could work, it’s not a bad idea in itself, but here it seemed pretty chaotic to me. Watching it with a person unfamiliar with Sapkowski’s work, I had to explain time and time again where we are and who is when πŸ˜‰ moreover, attempts to advance each of the three stories in each episode resulted in each of them being underdeveloped. In case of Ciri and Yennefer – I don’t know what we missed, but the overall result seems pretty shallow. In case of Geralt, some of the best Witcher stories were butchered beyond recognition to make place for the other storylines.

Ola: I’m sad to say that by the end of the first season I was actually glad my favorite story didn’t make the cut – alas, it will be filmed for the next season… I found Ciri’s story to be okay. The shoehorned token diversity was grating at times (Dara the elf seems like a completely unnecessary addition), but in general a bit more of backstory on Cintra’s sack was needed for the storytelling purposes. Was it muddled? Absolutely. Could it have been better? Sure. But Allan plays convincing Ciri, and even though the age difference between her and Cavill is glaringly too small, I’m willing to overlook that particular problem for the sake of their potential future chemistry ;).

Cavill as Geralt seems awfully bent on repeating the games’ version of the character, down pat to the grunts. My expectations are formed by the books; thus I would expect Geralt to be a more eloquent and witty, if world-weary, monster hunter. His bare butt I couldn’t care less about; but a glimmer of intelligence would be most appreciated. That said, and beware of my warrior mode today :P, I still think Cavill is not bad. He owns his role beyond the limits of cosplay; he seems to very much enjoy getting into the character of Sapkowski’s protagonist and this is his own version of Geralt to which he is fully entitled. I still think Mikkelsen would’ve been better suited to the role – at least at conveying a variety of emotions through facial expressions πŸ˜› – but I do find Cavill’s enthusiastic approach quite endearing.

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I was also very pleasantly surprised by Jaskier. This ultra-modern version of the famous braggart and loveboy is amazingly spot-on, big-eyed and basking in the reflected glory that at some point becomes his own as well. There is chemistry between Cavill and Batey, and their relationship is a very touching, quite subtle approximation of the characters’ relation from the books. And the song didn’t hurt either πŸ˜‰ There’s even a metal version! :D.

As for Yennefer, I am sorely underwhelmed by her backstory. I resent the idea of making her character (in the books presented at the start as a strong, powerful, self-sufficient woman conscious of her position, charmingly scheming and ruthlessly egotistical and even tyrannical at times, as accustomed as she is to fulfilling all her whims and needs) something so pitifully dependent on the approval of others. A mewling, bumbling kitten instead of a stony Sphinx. Chalotra plays well the role she’d been given; it’s not her fault she’d been given such a badly written role.

Piotrek: I liked most of the casting choices. Cavill seems to be really into it, and he convinced me. Yennefer… I liked her game version better, but I agree it’s well played. As to her story, I knew you’ll have more to tell πŸ˜‰ and I don’t disagree. The idea of expanding it was good, the way they did it made the character less interesting, despite having multiple times as much screen time.

I don’t like the Toss a coinsong as much as most of the internet seems to, but it’s definitely better than songs in the terrible Polish TV show. Below – it’s dragon measured against the Netflix one.

About battles… it is an epic fantasy show, after all. The one we get in the opening episode Ola already thrashed, deservedly, but it wasn’t the essential one. Now, Battle of Sodden Hill – this one was. It’s one of the lynchpins of the history of Witcher’s universe. Not described in detail, but having a very important place in a chain of events that shaped the politics of the region, and the story of Geralt and his family. An epic battle of 100,000 allied northern soldiers and 22 wizards against a huge Nilfgaardian force. It would be more expensive to show on TV, but it would also show a more interesting, complex world than what we got. Netflix rulers and comanders of both sides are caricatures of Sapkowski character’s, but with little to none screen time devoted to them it was probably unavoidable.

Ola: Well, this was the proverbialΒ  straw that broke the camel’s back for me.

There are some pretty cool episodes in the series; I really liked first four episodes, as they showed promise – despite the constant prattle about destiny. I enjoyed Rare Species too, though admittedly the dragon, especially in the wake of GoT dragons, could have been much more impressive. But the original story is one of my favourites, and I did find the Scottish twist on dwarves a bit amusing. The last episode, however, was just unredeemably bad. An epic battle turned into a fake-medieval cosplay party. Yes, Sapkowski didn’t describe the Battle of Sodden Hill in detail. A lot needed to be inferred from various hints scattered throughout the saga. The bare bones are there, however, and what the creators eventually made of one of the most crucial battles of the realm was a poor, drastically scaled-down skirmish of a bunch of well-meaning but inapt mages holed up in some decrepit ruin with lots of peasants press-ganged into the roles of clueless dogsbodies.

Piotr: Yeah. A terrible battle in itself, and another chance wasted to do some actual worldbuilding. So, to sum up – weak story, terrible worldbuilding, some nice characters, and decent sword fights. I will watch the next season, but it would be very difficult to turn it into something fitting the expectations I have for a decent Witcher show. Shall we score it? 4/10?

Ola: Well, this time I’ll be less harsh than you, and that’s a rare event in itself πŸ˜‰ The series is a fary cry from the books, on that we’re in absolute agreement. But we should judge it not only against the books or games, but also within the currently prevailing context of trivializing and dumbing down the more ambitious content for the sake of entertainment and watchability. GoT later seasons were its exemplary victims. From that perspective, Netflix’s The Witcher is a tolerable compromise between the desired (even if sadly not achieved) fidelity to the source material and the aforementioned drive to amuse ourselves to death, to borrow Neil Postman’s apt expression ;).

Score: Ola 6/10, Piotrek 4/10

64 thoughts on “Netflix’s The Witcher (2019 – present)

  1. Really enjoyed reading your review here, although I liked the show loads more than you both did. I think it’s because I haven’t yet read the books or played the game. I do agree about Yennifer’s story because I was also underwhelmed by her character and couldn’t see why many say they love her character.
    So…are yall saying there will be some romantic chemistry between Ciri and Gerault? I’m so curious because I thought they’d have a father-daughter relationship or something. (I don’t mind being spoiled.) I learned so much from this review. Makes me want to read the books even more.

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    1. Thanks! 😊

      Ciri and Geralt in the books have a tumultuous, fierce father-daughter relationship between equally stubborn and independent personalities. Ciri in the TV series should have been much younger, though, at the time of her first meeting with Geralt outside Cintra.

      I don’t want to spoil anything, but I always liked how neatly Ciri’s mousy grey hair fit between Geralt’s white and Yennefer’s black, emphasizing their family ties in a material, if totally accidental, way πŸ˜‰

      If you liked the series, you’ll probably enjoy the books even more πŸ˜€ There’s a lengthy, mostly spoiler-free review of the saga on our blog, if you’re interested!

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      1. piotrek

        I don’t think this show is heading in that direction… but perhaps I’m wrong and there will be a great story arch next season where Geralt & Co develop these bonds that are so important in the Saga…

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      2. Oh!! I kind of suspected that a little family might be formed between them since Ciri asked about Yenn at the end. I’m not sold on Yennifer yet though.

        I think I will like the books more indeed.

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        1. Oh, don’t pin your hopes on this family just yet – they don’t get to spend much time all together πŸ˜‰ Yes, Yennefer’s character in the series is just bleh, at least in the first season. Let’s hope they’ll make it more similar to the original in the second season!

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  2. A score of only 5 out of 10 leads me to believe that I’ll never try this. Since I’m not a fan (by omission, not because I hate the franchise), nothing here makes me want to go out and spend my precious “viewing” time on it. I’ll save that for re-runs of Stargate SG1 and Stargate Atlantis πŸ˜‰

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    1. piotrek

      I’m not an impartial judge here, I fully admit. I’m a disappointed lover πŸ˜‰ But I’d rather re-watch Babylon 5 than this πŸ˜‰

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    1. Maybe it’s not cardboard bad, but it’s definitely inferior to the books. I think our rating reflects its quality. In short, there are better series out there πŸ˜‰

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  3. I loved the show! I did like it more than you did, but it certainly didn’t start out that way. I’m also a big fan of the books, having read all of them, and I think the show makers did the best they could given the unique structure of the stories. The first few episodes were very frustrating, even speaking as someone who knew what was going on, and I don’t think the season found its footing until around halfway.

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    1. I think it was fairly decent, all things considered, but I definitely didn’t love it as much as you πŸ˜„

      It had some really good moments, but I must admit that the last episode just ruined a lot for me; however I cut it, it just looked cheap compared to GoT, and that’s the comparison the creators themselves invited.

      I didn’t mind the whole timelines jumble as much; as you say, it was inevitable if the creators wanted to incorporate the short stories into the main story line. What I minded the most, I guess, where the personality and motivational changes, which I thought were not just unnecessary but harmful story-wise. But then, I’m a fan of the books, as you know πŸ˜‰

      All said and done, and criticized, I’ll be looking forward to the next season, hoping it will improve! πŸ˜„

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      It kind of did find its way, to a degree, and than lost it again, for me at least. What buried it for me, was the final episode, for reasons explained in the review…

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  4. Having approached this series in complete ignorance, since I did not read the books, I was lucky enough to have no expectations, which might ultimately prove to be a blessing, judging from your reactions. On the other hand, such blissful ignorance made my approach to the story quite difficult, because the first episode felt confused AND confusing. Only a few internet searches, and talking about the series with a book-reading acquaintance, helped me put the story into context, although I maintain that it could have been handled better – if nothing else, but adding some sort of date reference at the beginning of each section, so that newbies like me could find their bearings.
    When all is said and done, the label I can attach to my experience is “cautiously curious”: only another season might resolve the remaining doubts, one way or the other, so… we’ll see how this turns out.
    And thanks for a very detailed, very insightful commentary! πŸ™‚

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    1. You’re welcome πŸ˜€
      Yes, let’s hope the second season will be better …And in the meantime, you have a chance to read the books! πŸ˜‰

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        1. This is very interesting! I actually think it’s a Polish language particularity; it is definitely generally more descriptive and flowing than English, and I noticed that in the other direction as well – often what reads well in English translated to Polish seems stilted and simplified πŸ˜‰

          Ah, the woes of translation!
          I haven’t read the English translation of the Witcher series, but if I were to venture an opinion on how I think it should sound, I’d say it should be like a naughty, disillusioned Tolkien 🀣

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          1. I did suspect that the translation might be part of the problem, together with the fact that it was the beginning of the saga and therefore the story still needed to find its balance. On the other hand, I recently read that the novels rely on an eastern european legendarium, with its own “pantheon” of monsters and creatures, which rekindled my curiosity for the saga…

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  5. Well I got the whole series in books now and have not started reading it. I have played some parts of the first two games. There was a few things I liked about the Netflix series, but it confused the shit out of me. Apart from that the people did say they were not going to make the series around the books, they were rather just going to use the inspiration to make something new. In any case, I did not hate this, I just hope series two comes out stronger. I know I read Time of Contempt before I knew it was book 3 or 4 in the series and at the time I had a little bit of a problem with what I thought was a translation issue.

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    1. The short stories are really great. The books are uneven, and I’d say Time of Contempt on is own must be very confusing, and definitely not the best book to start with πŸ˜‰ And yes, the books are definitely better in Polish πŸ˜‰

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        1. Oh, I wouldn’t recommend it anyway, at least not when your only goal is to read seven books ;), as Polish is apparently one of the most difficult languages to learn in the world πŸ˜€

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          1. They say that about Dutch as well. But due to my native language I had a little advantage as Afrikaans is a sister language that evolved from dutch. I know what most of the words mean, their pronounciation is just a little different. But the grammar is the most difficult.

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  6. I haven’t yet tried any of the books; I have the impression that I’m unconciously keeping the best for last? But I can see how the show’s structure would kill the magic of the books which on the other hand had a different structure with its short stories and chronology… The triple timeline in the show is definitely something left to be desired, making it a bit hard to appreciate at times, and probably for the reasons you both mention. Oh man, Mikkelsen would’ve been such a fascinating pick to play Geralt! But hopefully Cavill will learn through experience or something. I’m not a particularly huge fan of his, not noticing any particular acting skills (I mean, I could maybe argue that he’s often similar from one movie to another…). At least this time around, he’s a bit grimmer than usual. His dialogues are just wack, however… I wonder if season 2 can pull off the impossible… At least until Amazon’s Lord of the Rings or Wheel of Time TV series come out hahahah

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    1. I do hope that will be your final impression, though I must warn you – the general consensus is that the original Polish version is better – apparently some things got lost in translation. Still, the short stories are really great, so give them a chance πŸ˜„

      Oh man, Cavill is… better than I expected, but that doesn’t mean much, I’m afraid. I have an impression there exists such a thing as a “star” in movies and TV series: a person who might not have much in terms of acting skills, but is very popular; and so, in every role s/he is just being her/himself πŸ˜‰ Still, it could have been much worse – imagine Hemsworth in the role, for example! 😲

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        1. That’s a never-ending topic; but the career of this guy who seems to have never acted a single thing never ceases to amaze me 😜. Who is Bale going to play? Malekith or the Roxxon guy? And what is he even doing in that travesty of Marvel’s Thor?? 🀣

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          1. Huhuhuh 😭 Travesty of Thor’s series is right indeed. Hated it since Natalie Portman’s role in the first movie… As for Bale…… I could’ve sworn the dude said he was done with superheroes too. 😭😭😭 No one knows who he’s playing but I would’ve said the God Butcher/Slayer Gorr? We’ll find out soon enough I guess πŸ˜‚

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            1. Are they going to drag Gorr the God Butcher into this mess as well??? Nooooo! 😭😭😭
              I liked the first movie, it was a consciously bombastic tribute to Simonson’s Thor and didn’t take itself too seriously while still delivering a solid message. But the second was just a painful death by a thousand cuts of boredom and the third was a neckbreaking dive into the Mariana Trench of bad taste and botched storytelling… 😭

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              1. Hahahaha whaaaat? Ola enjoying a movie more than I did????? πŸ˜‚ I’ll have to torture myself into a rewatch in the near future (maybe when I get finish reviewing all the DC productions) to see what I might have missed. πŸ˜‚ But at least we agree that things only got worse afterwards… πŸ˜‚

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                1. 😜
                  Well, it may be the only one, at least in the department of comic book-based movies πŸ˜‰ I’m sure we’d find some more outside of the MCU/DCU area, though! πŸ˜€ But not LoTR πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

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  7. It’s rare that a film or miniseries lives up to or surpasses the standards set by a novel or book series. I’m glad that the adaptation of His Dark Materials has so far turned out so well, but for every success there may be nine disappointments. Where the Witcher is concerned I think I may stick with the books!

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    1. Thanks for the visit, Chris! 😊

      You’re absolutely right; and there wasn’t much chance for the series to even match the books. Still, one could hope πŸ˜‰
      I’ve yet to see the Dark Materials TV series, but I’m quite hopeful it will turn out well – everyone praises it.

      Wise decision! That said, I still intend to watch the second season! 🀣

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      1. Perhaps the second season will give them a chance to sort out the kinds of glitches and missteps which you two and no doubt many other true fans have been critical of. I always feel sad when potential and authorial intentions are mismanaged, the Earthsea adaptations being a case in point: I could barely watch even the excerpts of the TV adaptations on YouTube, and was hugely disappointed with the Studio Ghibli take on Tales.

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        1. Oh yes, Eartsea is a good example. Or Hobbit!
          I am aware that books and adaptations are two different media and require different means to convey the message; I just don’t appreciate seeing the message changed in the transition πŸ˜‰

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  8. I enjoyed the show but felt the time jumps (plus lack of any visible age after 20 years on characters like Jaskier) felt a bit jarring. I also feel the ending was very underwhelming.

    On the whole I enjoyed it, though. Just not as much as I hoped to.

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        1. Yeah, I heard they want to film the rest of the short stories as well… I am not looking forward to it, sadly – I was not impressed with what they did to most of the season 1 stories and I had hoped my favorite story would escape… Alas, no such luck πŸ˜‚

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          1. Alas, like all screen adaptations it has fallen prey to the infamous tagline of ‘based on the books’. These things are never true representations 😦 well, Game of Thrones season 1 was. Then it just morphed into something totally different.

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            1. Very true, sadly – on both accounts. I just wish they had a GoT budget for Witcher; maybe monsters and battles would look better at least 😜

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                1. That might be helpful, but unfortunately won’t account for the obvious weaknesses in the storytelling department… Still, better than nothing! πŸ˜‰ I’m still hopeful πŸ˜€

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    1. Thank you, Cath!
      I do hope you’ll enjoy the short stories πŸ˜€And even if the Witcher turns out not to be your favorite character, though I find him endearing πŸ˜‰, the stories offer some nice twists on the classic fairly tales.

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  9. Great review! I have agree with you guys on a few of the things, though I still enjoyed the show. I didn’t have much experience with The Witcher Universe before the show, other than having read The Last Wish and played The Witcher 3 a tiny amount, and so I didn’t have the same expectations. Certainly, I found the timeline a bit confusing at first, but once it clicked into place that it wasn’t happening at the same time I kind of liked it, but I can see why people hated it and I don’t think it was the best way to have told the story. And the show’s CGI was pretty bad and it looked a little campy at times, but I assume they did that on purpose actually. They knew they couldn’t compete with the budget and scale of Game of Thrones (which it would inevitably be compared to as it is the first fantasy show since) and so they didn’t try to. That’s not to say there aren’t some good action sequences, they just kind of used the best one up in the first episode!

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    1. Thanks, Jack! πŸ™‚
      It’s not like we didn’t enjoy it, to be fair – it’s just we enjoyed it less than we hoped we would πŸ˜‰ And disappointment is always bitter πŸ˜›
      Yeah, the CGI just looks cheap most of the time. I do hope, however, that they’ll have a big enough budget in the second season to make it better. Campy is all good and nice, but not when you’re actually supposed to believe in the fantasy world you see on screen! πŸ˜‰
      Yes, I really hope there will be more witcher fights, especially that in S2 there will be more witchers!

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  10. I’m very relieved not to be the only one who was disappointed in the show. I do think it was for mostly similar and some different reasons. I strongly dislike Cavill (which started way before this show), thought the presentation of the timelines was way too confusing, Ciri and Yennefer’s characters were way off, and I didn’t like the presentation of Jaskier at all. He is probably the truest to the books but I felt like he was missing a bit of cunning in the show that he’s displayed in the books and the game. I never even finished the last episode because I was so bored.

    And I agree I wish they had done more episodic presentations of the short stories to introduce the world and everything in it! Similar to how Supernatural started- each episode gave us a new monster to hunt. I think it would have worked better here than this weird mish mash of the books. Great review!

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    1. piotrek

      Thanks! Not much to add, as we mostly agree πŸ˜‰ I’ll just say that this Jaskier could be better, I think, if the writing was, and I feel it was mostly the way stories had to be shortened to fit in two more storylines that cut his lines and his wit… more’s the pity 😦

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  11. I wasn’t at all bothered by the CGI and don’t know the books well enough to be disturbed by any changes (have read one of the short story collections and played Witcher 2) so for me the main problem was the writing, especially Yennefer’s story. Overall I was rather underwhelmed but it did have enough strengths that I will give the second season a chance. It wouldn’t be the first series to improve after a weak first season so I have some cautious hope.

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    1. You and me both πŸ˜„
      And I agree, Yennefer’s story was just botched so badly I still find it difficult to wrap my head around the whole concept.
      After playing a bit of Witcher 3 I can also see the game was a crucial inspiration for the series, down to Geralt’s voice πŸ˜‰

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  13. This was so interesting to read! I’ve only watched the show and while I was thoroughly entertained, I could see the flaws and have been wanting to hear from people more familiar with the source material to see where it differs. I think that’s unsurprising that the characters were so changed- just sounds like it was a pity they went with the characters from the RPG rather than the books, cos it sounds like they would’ve been more complex if they’d used the books. I did find the world building quite confusing, especially at the start, so I do think they could’ve worked on that area. And yeah, even without knowing the source material, I’d definitely say it’s more of a Jessica Jones than a Daredevil

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    1. We’re spoiled by the books I think, and by reading them in their original language too πŸ˜‰.

      I like many things about the show, but there is plenty that is just plainly meh or outright contradictory with regards to the books, that I felt really disappointed by the end. I also felt that the tonal change toward Jessica Jones’ angsty flippancy from the deeper and darker soul-searching of DD was a mistake. The Witcher saga is ironic, at times cynical, but it takes up very serious themes and deals with them in an sleek, underhanded, pretty mature way. This approach is sorely missing from the series, to its detriment.

      That said, I still hope the creative team at Netflix will learn their lesson from S1 and improve in S2, at least a bit πŸ™‚.

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